Comments for Angevin World https://www.angevinworld.com The Rise of the Plantagenet Dynasty Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:13:21 +0000 hourly 1 Comment on A Forgotten Confrontation: the Battle of Bouvines of 1214 by Olivia Longueville https://www.angevinworld.com/blog/a-forgotten-confrontation-the-battle-of-bouvines-of-1214/#comment-29 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:13:21 +0000 https://www.angevinworld.com/?p=11987#comment-29 In reply to Mark.

Dear Mark, thank you for your comment! King John’s military failure at the Battle of Bouvines triggered the barons’ revolt, and they rose in open revolt under the leadership of Robert FitzWalter. But I am not sure that FitzWalter participated in the Battle of Bouvines – most likely, no. Eustace de Vesci didn’t participate. Most of the English lords stayed at home in England, but they financed John’s military projects, and his failures angered them a great deal.

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Comment on A Forgotten Confrontation: the Battle of Bouvines of 1214 by Mark https://www.angevinworld.com/blog/a-forgotten-confrontation-the-battle-of-bouvines-of-1214/#comment-28 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:25:07 +0000 https://www.angevinworld.com/?p=11987#comment-28 I wonder if FitzWalter and Vesci, leaders against King John for the Magna Carta, were at this battle?

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Comment on Coronation of King John of England by Helen Rising https://www.angevinworld.com/blog/coronation-of-king-john-i-of-england/#comment-24 Fri, 29 May 2020 10:07:17 +0000 https://www.angevinworld.com/?p=11418#comment-24 Thoroughly enjoyed reading this information, it was very well written

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Comment on The Demon Countess of Anjou by J.C. Plummer https://www.angevinworld.com/blog/the-demon-countess-of-anjou/#comment-23 Sat, 16 May 2020 01:04:55 +0000 https://www.angevinworld.com/?p=10964#comment-23 In reply to Mark.

Hi Mark!
I think you make an excellent point. Geoffrey’s father was a fascinating figure, and he deserves more attention. I should write an article about him to balance out this one about the myth of the “demon” countess. Fulk (a widower at the time) was such a successful crusader in the Holy Land that he was invited to rule the Kingdom of Jerusalem by marrying the daughter of King Baldwin II (who had no sons). It must have taken a lot of courage to walk away from the comforts of home in the counties of Anjou and Maine and assume the kingship of a distant land. He ruled the Kingdom of Jerusalem very ably, and it’s unfortunate that he died suddenly in an accident.

Thank you for reading my article and taking the time to leave a thoughtful comment. I confess that I would prefer to dwell on the nature of heaven and saints than hell and demons.

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Comment on The Demon Countess of Anjou by Mark https://www.angevinworld.com/blog/the-demon-countess-of-anjou/#comment-22 Sat, 16 May 2020 00:45:06 +0000 https://www.angevinworld.com/?p=10964#comment-22 The documentaries, “Devil’s Crown” and “Devil’s Brood,” use this myth as a core beginning to the Plantagenet story. What I find most interesting is the omission of Geoffrey’s father, The King of Jerusalem, Fulk. Why only the talk of hell and not a mention of heaven?

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Comment on King Henry II’s illegitimate half-brother: Hamelin de Warenne, a man of unwavering loyalty by J.C. Plummer https://www.angevinworld.com/blog/king-henry-iis-illegitimate-half-brother-hamelin-de-warenne-a-man-of-unwavering-loyalty/#comment-21 Fri, 08 May 2020 05:02:31 +0000 https://www.angevinworld.com/?p=11692#comment-21 In reply to Christina Pickard.

Hello Christina!
Thank you for reading and asking these questions.

Richard was captured in Vienna in December 1192 by Leopold, the Duke of Austria. By March of 1193, Leopold had handed custody of Richard over to the Holy Roman Emperor, Henry VI. At this time, the German court moved from city to city. Richard spent much of his captivity in the city of Speyer in Germany. He also spent time with the imperial court at Haguenau, which was in Germany at the time. Today the city is governed by France.

After Richard was released from captivity in February of 1194, he traveled to England. Accompanied by his mother, he arrived in Sandwich on March 13 of 1194. He defeated the few remaining supporters of Prince John at the siege of Nottingham at the end of March. On April 17 (Easter Sunday) he had his “crown-wearing” ceremony in Winchester Cathedral. This wasn’t a second coronation. Instead, it was a demonstration of his authority as king. Your ancestor, Hamelin, Earl Warenne (and father of the Adele you mention), played a very important role in the crown-wearing ceremony: he was one of three men carrying ceremonial swords during the ceremony. The other two men were the King of Scotland and the Earl of Chester.

Adela (also called Ela) was a mistress of John (at the time, he was actually referred to as “Count John” but we are more accustomed to calling him Prince John). They had a son, and I believe it was c. 1190. John was married to Isabella, Countess of Gloucester at the time of this affair. Adding to the scandal is the fact that John and Adela were first cousins. After all, their fathers were half-brothers.

Richard and Eleanor left England on May 12, 1194, sailing from Portsmouth to Barfleur in Normandy. Neither of them would ever return to England. John was already in Normandy at this time, and after his reconciliation with Richard (also in May of 1194), he did not return to England until after Richard’s death in 1199.

Thanks again for leaving a comment!
J.C. (Coleen)

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Comment on King Henry II’s illegitimate half-brother: Hamelin de Warenne, a man of unwavering loyalty by Christina Pickard https://www.angevinworld.com/blog/king-henry-iis-illegitimate-half-brother-hamelin-de-warenne-a-man-of-unwavering-loyalty/#comment-20 Fri, 08 May 2020 02:56:11 +0000 https://www.angevinworld.com/?p=11692#comment-20 I thought Richard I did not return to England after his captivity, which I thought was in Austria. This is great information. I am directly descended from John”s and Adele’s liaison. I had not known it was an affair. Surprise!

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Comment on The Demon Countess of Anjou by J.C. Plummer https://www.angevinworld.com/blog/the-demon-countess-of-anjou/#comment-19 Sun, 08 Mar 2020 21:03:41 +0000 https://www.angevinworld.com/?p=10964#comment-19 In reply to TheHolyCrow.

Great comment – it made me smile! Thanks for reading my article and visiting Angevin World!
J.C.

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Comment on The Demon Countess of Anjou by TheHolyCrow https://www.angevinworld.com/blog/the-demon-countess-of-anjou/#comment-18 Sun, 23 Feb 2020 11:17:37 +0000 https://www.angevinworld.com/?p=10964#comment-18 So maybe she “flew out a window” because she was thrown ?

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Comment on Coronation of Richard the Lionheart by J.C. Plummer https://www.angevinworld.com/blog/coronation-richard-lionheart/#comment-17 Thu, 05 Sep 2019 16:11:23 +0000 https://www.angevinworld.com/?p=10992#comment-17 In reply to Jenny Dixon.

Thank you, Jenny!
Your explanation was very helpful, and you explained it very well! As an American, and as someone who mostly studies the years 1066 to 1215, I had never heard of this before.
Thank you for taking the time to comment and for your interest in Angevin World!
J.C.

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