Comments for Angevin World The Rise of the Plantagenet Dynasty Tue, 27 Apr 2021 05:45:52 +0000 hourly 1 Comment on King Henry II’s illegitimate half-brother: Hamelin de Warenne, a man of unwavering loyalty by Della Cate-Phillips Tue, 27 Apr 2021 05:45:52 +0000 In reply to KARTER LANDON.

I am a descendant of Hamelin de Warren and Adela. Thanks for the information.

Comment on King Henry II’s illegitimate half-brother: Hamelin de Warenne, a man of unwavering loyalty by KARTER LANDON Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:41:57 +0000 In reply to Christina Pickard.

So am I !

Comment on He Never Smiled Again by Denise clur Wed, 25 Nov 2020 13:28:14 +0000 Most interesting.

Comment on The Drama of Eleanor, Fair Maid of Brittany by Mark Sun, 30 Aug 2020 03:36:45 +0000 ‘Tis Heartbreaking to recall that William Longespee II of Amesbury would soon thereafter lead the 250 Knight Templars at Al Mansurah in 1250, but only five would return. The Templar Grand Master escaped, but he perished soon after in the next battle, so there were really only a couple of survivors of Al Mansurah for the Templars. Anyway, Amesbury Priory and the Fontevraud Order have this historical Crusader connection as well as the unique position of the Abbess. It seems one cannot fully comprehend the full meaning of the Angevin Dynasty without considering the importance of the Crusades, i.e., they were descendants from Fulk, the King of Jerusalem, and some say, a founding Templar, or a prime supporter.

Sans Dieu Rien

Comment on A Forgotten Confrontation: the Battle of Bouvines of 1214 by Olivia Longueville Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:13:21 +0000 In reply to Mark.

Dear Mark, thank you for your comment! King John’s military failure at the Battle of Bouvines triggered the barons’ revolt, and they rose in open revolt under the leadership of Robert FitzWalter. But I am not sure that FitzWalter participated in the Battle of Bouvines – most likely, no. Eustace de Vesci didn’t participate. Most of the English lords stayed at home in England, but they financed John’s military projects, and his failures angered them a great deal.

Comment on A Forgotten Confrontation: the Battle of Bouvines of 1214 by Mark Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:25:07 +0000 I wonder if FitzWalter and Vesci, leaders against King John for the Magna Carta, were at this battle?

Comment on Coronation of King John of England by Helen Rising Fri, 29 May 2020 10:07:17 +0000 Thoroughly enjoyed reading this information, it was very well written

Comment on The Demon Countess of Anjou by J.C. Plummer Sat, 16 May 2020 01:04:55 +0000 In reply to Mark.

Hi Mark!
I think you make an excellent point. Geoffrey’s father was a fascinating figure, and he deserves more attention. I should write an article about him to balance out this one about the myth of the “demon” countess. Fulk (a widower at the time) was such a successful crusader in the Holy Land that he was invited to rule the Kingdom of Jerusalem by marrying the daughter of King Baldwin II (who had no sons). It must have taken a lot of courage to walk away from the comforts of home in the counties of Anjou and Maine and assume the kingship of a distant land. He ruled the Kingdom of Jerusalem very ably, and it’s unfortunate that he died suddenly in an accident.

Thank you for reading my article and taking the time to leave a thoughtful comment. I confess that I would prefer to dwell on the nature of heaven and saints than hell and demons.

Comment on The Demon Countess of Anjou by Mark Sat, 16 May 2020 00:45:06 +0000 The documentaries, “Devil’s Crown” and “Devil’s Brood,” use this myth as a core beginning to the Plantagenet story. What I find most interesting is the omission of Geoffrey’s father, The King of Jerusalem, Fulk. Why only the talk of hell and not a mention of heaven?

Comment on King Henry II’s illegitimate half-brother: Hamelin de Warenne, a man of unwavering loyalty by J.C. Plummer Fri, 08 May 2020 05:02:31 +0000 In reply to Christina Pickard.

Hello Christina!
Thank you for reading and asking these questions.

Richard was captured in Vienna in December 1192 by Leopold, the Duke of Austria. By March of 1193, Leopold had handed custody of Richard over to the Holy Roman Emperor, Henry VI. At this time, the German court moved from city to city. Richard spent much of his captivity in the city of Speyer in Germany. He also spent time with the imperial court at Haguenau, which was in Germany at the time. Today the city is governed by France.

After Richard was released from captivity in February of 1194, he traveled to England. Accompanied by his mother, he arrived in Sandwich on March 13 of 1194. He defeated the few remaining supporters of Prince John at the siege of Nottingham at the end of March. On April 17 (Easter Sunday) he had his “crown-wearing” ceremony in Winchester Cathedral. This wasn’t a second coronation. Instead, it was a demonstration of his authority as king. Your ancestor, Hamelin, Earl Warenne (and father of the Adele you mention), played a very important role in the crown-wearing ceremony: he was one of three men carrying ceremonial swords during the ceremony. The other two men were the King of Scotland and the Earl of Chester.

Adela (also called Ela) was a mistress of John (at the time, he was actually referred to as “Count John” but we are more accustomed to calling him Prince John). They had a son, and I believe it was c. 1190. John was married to Isabella, Countess of Gloucester at the time of this affair. Adding to the scandal is the fact that John and Adela were first cousins. After all, their fathers were half-brothers.

Richard and Eleanor left England on May 12, 1194, sailing from Portsmouth to Barfleur in Normandy. Neither of them would ever return to England. John was already in Normandy at this time, and after his reconciliation with Richard (also in May of 1194), he did not return to England until after Richard’s death in 1199.

Thanks again for leaving a comment!
J.C. (Coleen)